The wave function of a system of two identical particles
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For a system of two identical particles, where $r_1$ is the position vector of particle 1 and $r_2$ is the position vec. of particle 2, the wave function should be one of the plus or minus states:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A [psi _a(r_1) psi_b (r_2) pm psi_b(r_1) psi_a(r_2)] ,
end{equation}
where $psi_a$ and $psi_b$ are the wave functions of particle 1 and 2 respectively [equation 5.10 of Griffith's Intro to Quantum Mechanics 2nd Ed.].
I see that this equation makes the wave function $psi_pm$ treat the two particles identically, but I don't know of any proof that it is actually the only way of writing this wave equation to treat them identically. For example, why not a wave function like:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A sqrt{psi^2 _a(r_1) psi_b^2 (r_2) pm psi^2_b(r_1) psi^2_a(r_2)}~?
end{equation}
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For a system of two identical particles, where $r_1$ is the position vector of particle 1 and $r_2$ is the position vec. of particle 2, the wave function should be one of the plus or minus states:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A [psi _a(r_1) psi_b (r_2) pm psi_b(r_1) psi_a(r_2)] ,
end{equation}
where $psi_a$ and $psi_b$ are the wave functions of particle 1 and 2 respectively [equation 5.10 of Griffith's Intro to Quantum Mechanics 2nd Ed.].
I see that this equation makes the wave function $psi_pm$ treat the two particles identically, but I don't know of any proof that it is actually the only way of writing this wave equation to treat them identically. For example, why not a wave function like:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A sqrt{psi^2 _a(r_1) psi_b^2 (r_2) pm psi^2_b(r_1) psi^2_a(r_2)}~?
end{equation}
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It's a valid wavefunction, but you lose the interpretation of having one particle in state a and the other in state b. You just have two particles in some complicated state.
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– Javier
Nov 15 '18 at 21:08
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For a system of two identical particles, where $r_1$ is the position vector of particle 1 and $r_2$ is the position vec. of particle 2, the wave function should be one of the plus or minus states:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A [psi _a(r_1) psi_b (r_2) pm psi_b(r_1) psi_a(r_2)] ,
end{equation}
where $psi_a$ and $psi_b$ are the wave functions of particle 1 and 2 respectively [equation 5.10 of Griffith's Intro to Quantum Mechanics 2nd Ed.].
I see that this equation makes the wave function $psi_pm$ treat the two particles identically, but I don't know of any proof that it is actually the only way of writing this wave equation to treat them identically. For example, why not a wave function like:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A sqrt{psi^2 _a(r_1) psi_b^2 (r_2) pm psi^2_b(r_1) psi^2_a(r_2)}~?
end{equation}
quantum-mechanics wavefunction identical-particles
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For a system of two identical particles, where $r_1$ is the position vector of particle 1 and $r_2$ is the position vec. of particle 2, the wave function should be one of the plus or minus states:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A [psi _a(r_1) psi_b (r_2) pm psi_b(r_1) psi_a(r_2)] ,
end{equation}
where $psi_a$ and $psi_b$ are the wave functions of particle 1 and 2 respectively [equation 5.10 of Griffith's Intro to Quantum Mechanics 2nd Ed.].
I see that this equation makes the wave function $psi_pm$ treat the two particles identically, but I don't know of any proof that it is actually the only way of writing this wave equation to treat them identically. For example, why not a wave function like:
begin{equation}
psi _ pm (r_1,r_2) = A sqrt{psi^2 _a(r_1) psi_b^2 (r_2) pm psi^2_b(r_1) psi^2_a(r_2)}~?
end{equation}
quantum-mechanics wavefunction identical-particles
quantum-mechanics wavefunction identical-particles
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It's a valid wavefunction, but you lose the interpretation of having one particle in state a and the other in state b. You just have two particles in some complicated state.
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– Javier
Nov 15 '18 at 21:08
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It's a valid wavefunction, but you lose the interpretation of having one particle in state a and the other in state b. You just have two particles in some complicated state.
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– Javier
Nov 15 '18 at 21:08
1
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It's a valid wavefunction, but you lose the interpretation of having one particle in state a and the other in state b. You just have two particles in some complicated state.
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– Javier
Nov 15 '18 at 21:08
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It's a valid wavefunction, but you lose the interpretation of having one particle in state a and the other in state b. You just have two particles in some complicated state.
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– Javier
Nov 15 '18 at 21:08
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The requirement is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) =
begin{cases}
psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for bosons} \
-psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for fermions}.
end{cases}
tag{1}
$$
This property is required by the spin-statistics theorem in relativistic quantum field theory. Since non-relativistic quantum mechanics is supposed to be an approximation to relativistic quantum field theory, we also enforce it in non-relativistic QM.
A special case of equation (1) is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) approx
begin{cases}
f(x_1)g(x_2)+f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for bosons} \
f(x_1)g(x_2)-f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for fermions},
end{cases}
tag{2}
$$
but like Lewis Miller's answer said, this is only a special case. The general requirement is equation (1).
The square-root example written in the question does not satisfy the requirement (1).
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Thanks @Dan Yand for mentioning that theorem. If we take $A=i$, wouldn't condition (1) be satisfied by the square-root wave function?
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:46
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@Mathophile-Mathochist For a complex quantity $z$, the function $zmapsto sqrt{z}$ is double-valued, with opposite signs. We can choose the sign for one value of $z$, but then the sign for other values of $z$ should be determined by continuity. So, suppose we start with $z=1$ and apply a continuous rotation in the complex plane to get to $z=-1$, say $z=exp(itheta)$ with $0leq thetaleq pi$. If we choose $sqrt{1}=1$, then $sqrt{exp(itheta)}=exp(itheta/2)$. Since $exp(ipi/2)neq -1$, this shows that the square-root example does not satisfy the fermion sign-change requirement.
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– Chiral Anomaly
Nov 16 '18 at 18:15
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I see, it makes sense.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 17 '18 at 22:57
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This product form of two-particle wave function is only correct if the particles are not interacting. Nevertheless, it is often used as a first approximation, and if you take the expectation value of the true Hamiltonian and minimize it (by taking a variational derivative) you get the two-body Hartree-Fock equation which is often used to approximate the ground state energy and wave function for many-body systems of Fermions. This approximation is often called the mean field approximation.
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Thanks @Lewis Miller. True, this is only for non-interacting particles. I don't know about the two-body Hartree-Fock equation. I'm familiar with variational calculus, so I would appreciate it if you would explain the relation between this equation and OP.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
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You’re forgetting that the wave function must also satisfy the TISE. With this condition the combine wavefunctions must be the sum of a permutation of products.
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If we have two particles, one in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$, then the state vector would be $|psi_arangle|psi_brangle$.
However, if the particles are indistinguishable, then it is equally likely to have the opposite be true (i.e. the "first" particle in state $psi_b$ and the "second" particle in state $psi_a$). Therefore, we would want the entire state to be a linear combination of these two states, each with equal weight. Therefore we end up with
$$|Psirangle=|psi_arangle|psi_branglepm|psi_brangle|psi_arangle$$
If we choose to work in the $|r_1rangle|r_2rangle$ basis, then we end up with the expression you state.
I think the issue with your state is that it is not a "nice" linear combination of the states where one particle is in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$. We need this if we want the postulate to hold that when $|psirangle=sum c_i|psi_nrangle$, we know that there is a probability of $|c_i|^2$ to measure the system to be in state $|psi_irangle$
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The requirement is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) =
begin{cases}
psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for bosons} \
-psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for fermions}.
end{cases}
tag{1}
$$
This property is required by the spin-statistics theorem in relativistic quantum field theory. Since non-relativistic quantum mechanics is supposed to be an approximation to relativistic quantum field theory, we also enforce it in non-relativistic QM.
A special case of equation (1) is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) approx
begin{cases}
f(x_1)g(x_2)+f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for bosons} \
f(x_1)g(x_2)-f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for fermions},
end{cases}
tag{2}
$$
but like Lewis Miller's answer said, this is only a special case. The general requirement is equation (1).
The square-root example written in the question does not satisfy the requirement (1).
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Thanks @Dan Yand for mentioning that theorem. If we take $A=i$, wouldn't condition (1) be satisfied by the square-root wave function?
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:46
1
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@Mathophile-Mathochist For a complex quantity $z$, the function $zmapsto sqrt{z}$ is double-valued, with opposite signs. We can choose the sign for one value of $z$, but then the sign for other values of $z$ should be determined by continuity. So, suppose we start with $z=1$ and apply a continuous rotation in the complex plane to get to $z=-1$, say $z=exp(itheta)$ with $0leq thetaleq pi$. If we choose $sqrt{1}=1$, then $sqrt{exp(itheta)}=exp(itheta/2)$. Since $exp(ipi/2)neq -1$, this shows that the square-root example does not satisfy the fermion sign-change requirement.
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– Chiral Anomaly
Nov 16 '18 at 18:15
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I see, it makes sense.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 17 '18 at 22:57
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The requirement is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) =
begin{cases}
psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for bosons} \
-psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for fermions}.
end{cases}
tag{1}
$$
This property is required by the spin-statistics theorem in relativistic quantum field theory. Since non-relativistic quantum mechanics is supposed to be an approximation to relativistic quantum field theory, we also enforce it in non-relativistic QM.
A special case of equation (1) is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) approx
begin{cases}
f(x_1)g(x_2)+f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for bosons} \
f(x_1)g(x_2)-f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for fermions},
end{cases}
tag{2}
$$
but like Lewis Miller's answer said, this is only a special case. The general requirement is equation (1).
The square-root example written in the question does not satisfy the requirement (1).
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Thanks @Dan Yand for mentioning that theorem. If we take $A=i$, wouldn't condition (1) be satisfied by the square-root wave function?
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:46
1
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@Mathophile-Mathochist For a complex quantity $z$, the function $zmapsto sqrt{z}$ is double-valued, with opposite signs. We can choose the sign for one value of $z$, but then the sign for other values of $z$ should be determined by continuity. So, suppose we start with $z=1$ and apply a continuous rotation in the complex plane to get to $z=-1$, say $z=exp(itheta)$ with $0leq thetaleq pi$. If we choose $sqrt{1}=1$, then $sqrt{exp(itheta)}=exp(itheta/2)$. Since $exp(ipi/2)neq -1$, this shows that the square-root example does not satisfy the fermion sign-change requirement.
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– Chiral Anomaly
Nov 16 '18 at 18:15
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I see, it makes sense.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 17 '18 at 22:57
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The requirement is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) =
begin{cases}
psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for bosons} \
-psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for fermions}.
end{cases}
tag{1}
$$
This property is required by the spin-statistics theorem in relativistic quantum field theory. Since non-relativistic quantum mechanics is supposed to be an approximation to relativistic quantum field theory, we also enforce it in non-relativistic QM.
A special case of equation (1) is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) approx
begin{cases}
f(x_1)g(x_2)+f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for bosons} \
f(x_1)g(x_2)-f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for fermions},
end{cases}
tag{2}
$$
but like Lewis Miller's answer said, this is only a special case. The general requirement is equation (1).
The square-root example written in the question does not satisfy the requirement (1).
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The requirement is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) =
begin{cases}
psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for bosons} \
-psi(x_2,x_1) & text{for fermions}.
end{cases}
tag{1}
$$
This property is required by the spin-statistics theorem in relativistic quantum field theory. Since non-relativistic quantum mechanics is supposed to be an approximation to relativistic quantum field theory, we also enforce it in non-relativistic QM.
A special case of equation (1) is
$$
psi(x_1,x_2) approx
begin{cases}
f(x_1)g(x_2)+f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for bosons} \
f(x_1)g(x_2)-f(x_2)g(x_1) & text{for fermions},
end{cases}
tag{2}
$$
but like Lewis Miller's answer said, this is only a special case. The general requirement is equation (1).
The square-root example written in the question does not satisfy the requirement (1).
answered Nov 15 '18 at 23:29
Chiral AnomalyChiral Anomaly
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Thanks @Dan Yand for mentioning that theorem. If we take $A=i$, wouldn't condition (1) be satisfied by the square-root wave function?
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:46
1
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@Mathophile-Mathochist For a complex quantity $z$, the function $zmapsto sqrt{z}$ is double-valued, with opposite signs. We can choose the sign for one value of $z$, but then the sign for other values of $z$ should be determined by continuity. So, suppose we start with $z=1$ and apply a continuous rotation in the complex plane to get to $z=-1$, say $z=exp(itheta)$ with $0leq thetaleq pi$. If we choose $sqrt{1}=1$, then $sqrt{exp(itheta)}=exp(itheta/2)$. Since $exp(ipi/2)neq -1$, this shows that the square-root example does not satisfy the fermion sign-change requirement.
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– Chiral Anomaly
Nov 16 '18 at 18:15
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I see, it makes sense.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 17 '18 at 22:57
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Thanks @Dan Yand for mentioning that theorem. If we take $A=i$, wouldn't condition (1) be satisfied by the square-root wave function?
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:46
1
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@Mathophile-Mathochist For a complex quantity $z$, the function $zmapsto sqrt{z}$ is double-valued, with opposite signs. We can choose the sign for one value of $z$, but then the sign for other values of $z$ should be determined by continuity. So, suppose we start with $z=1$ and apply a continuous rotation in the complex plane to get to $z=-1$, say $z=exp(itheta)$ with $0leq thetaleq pi$. If we choose $sqrt{1}=1$, then $sqrt{exp(itheta)}=exp(itheta/2)$. Since $exp(ipi/2)neq -1$, this shows that the square-root example does not satisfy the fermion sign-change requirement.
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– Chiral Anomaly
Nov 16 '18 at 18:15
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I see, it makes sense.
$endgroup$
– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 17 '18 at 22:57
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Thanks @Dan Yand for mentioning that theorem. If we take $A=i$, wouldn't condition (1) be satisfied by the square-root wave function?
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:46
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Thanks @Dan Yand for mentioning that theorem. If we take $A=i$, wouldn't condition (1) be satisfied by the square-root wave function?
$endgroup$
– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:46
1
1
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@Mathophile-Mathochist For a complex quantity $z$, the function $zmapsto sqrt{z}$ is double-valued, with opposite signs. We can choose the sign for one value of $z$, but then the sign for other values of $z$ should be determined by continuity. So, suppose we start with $z=1$ and apply a continuous rotation in the complex plane to get to $z=-1$, say $z=exp(itheta)$ with $0leq thetaleq pi$. If we choose $sqrt{1}=1$, then $sqrt{exp(itheta)}=exp(itheta/2)$. Since $exp(ipi/2)neq -1$, this shows that the square-root example does not satisfy the fermion sign-change requirement.
$endgroup$
– Chiral Anomaly
Nov 16 '18 at 18:15
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@Mathophile-Mathochist For a complex quantity $z$, the function $zmapsto sqrt{z}$ is double-valued, with opposite signs. We can choose the sign for one value of $z$, but then the sign for other values of $z$ should be determined by continuity. So, suppose we start with $z=1$ and apply a continuous rotation in the complex plane to get to $z=-1$, say $z=exp(itheta)$ with $0leq thetaleq pi$. If we choose $sqrt{1}=1$, then $sqrt{exp(itheta)}=exp(itheta/2)$. Since $exp(ipi/2)neq -1$, this shows that the square-root example does not satisfy the fermion sign-change requirement.
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– Chiral Anomaly
Nov 16 '18 at 18:15
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I see, it makes sense.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 17 '18 at 22:57
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I see, it makes sense.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 17 '18 at 22:57
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This product form of two-particle wave function is only correct if the particles are not interacting. Nevertheless, it is often used as a first approximation, and if you take the expectation value of the true Hamiltonian and minimize it (by taking a variational derivative) you get the two-body Hartree-Fock equation which is often used to approximate the ground state energy and wave function for many-body systems of Fermions. This approximation is often called the mean field approximation.
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Thanks @Lewis Miller. True, this is only for non-interacting particles. I don't know about the two-body Hartree-Fock equation. I'm familiar with variational calculus, so I would appreciate it if you would explain the relation between this equation and OP.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:43
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This product form of two-particle wave function is only correct if the particles are not interacting. Nevertheless, it is often used as a first approximation, and if you take the expectation value of the true Hamiltonian and minimize it (by taking a variational derivative) you get the two-body Hartree-Fock equation which is often used to approximate the ground state energy and wave function for many-body systems of Fermions. This approximation is often called the mean field approximation.
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Thanks @Lewis Miller. True, this is only for non-interacting particles. I don't know about the two-body Hartree-Fock equation. I'm familiar with variational calculus, so I would appreciate it if you would explain the relation between this equation and OP.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:43
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This product form of two-particle wave function is only correct if the particles are not interacting. Nevertheless, it is often used as a first approximation, and if you take the expectation value of the true Hamiltonian and minimize it (by taking a variational derivative) you get the two-body Hartree-Fock equation which is often used to approximate the ground state energy and wave function for many-body systems of Fermions. This approximation is often called the mean field approximation.
$endgroup$
This product form of two-particle wave function is only correct if the particles are not interacting. Nevertheless, it is often used as a first approximation, and if you take the expectation value of the true Hamiltonian and minimize it (by taking a variational derivative) you get the two-body Hartree-Fock equation which is often used to approximate the ground state energy and wave function for many-body systems of Fermions. This approximation is often called the mean field approximation.
answered Nov 15 '18 at 19:44
Lewis MillerLewis Miller
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Thanks @Lewis Miller. True, this is only for non-interacting particles. I don't know about the two-body Hartree-Fock equation. I'm familiar with variational calculus, so I would appreciate it if you would explain the relation between this equation and OP.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:43
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Thanks @Lewis Miller. True, this is only for non-interacting particles. I don't know about the two-body Hartree-Fock equation. I'm familiar with variational calculus, so I would appreciate it if you would explain the relation between this equation and OP.
$endgroup$
– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:43
$begingroup$
Thanks @Lewis Miller. True, this is only for non-interacting particles. I don't know about the two-body Hartree-Fock equation. I'm familiar with variational calculus, so I would appreciate it if you would explain the relation between this equation and OP.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:43
$begingroup$
Thanks @Lewis Miller. True, this is only for non-interacting particles. I don't know about the two-body Hartree-Fock equation. I'm familiar with variational calculus, so I would appreciate it if you would explain the relation between this equation and OP.
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– Mathophile-Mathochist
Nov 16 '18 at 17:43
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You’re forgetting that the wave function must also satisfy the TISE. With this condition the combine wavefunctions must be the sum of a permutation of products.
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add a comment |
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You’re forgetting that the wave function must also satisfy the TISE. With this condition the combine wavefunctions must be the sum of a permutation of products.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You’re forgetting that the wave function must also satisfy the TISE. With this condition the combine wavefunctions must be the sum of a permutation of products.
$endgroup$
You’re forgetting that the wave function must also satisfy the TISE. With this condition the combine wavefunctions must be the sum of a permutation of products.
answered Nov 15 '18 at 19:33
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If we have two particles, one in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$, then the state vector would be $|psi_arangle|psi_brangle$.
However, if the particles are indistinguishable, then it is equally likely to have the opposite be true (i.e. the "first" particle in state $psi_b$ and the "second" particle in state $psi_a$). Therefore, we would want the entire state to be a linear combination of these two states, each with equal weight. Therefore we end up with
$$|Psirangle=|psi_arangle|psi_branglepm|psi_brangle|psi_arangle$$
If we choose to work in the $|r_1rangle|r_2rangle$ basis, then we end up with the expression you state.
I think the issue with your state is that it is not a "nice" linear combination of the states where one particle is in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$. We need this if we want the postulate to hold that when $|psirangle=sum c_i|psi_nrangle$, we know that there is a probability of $|c_i|^2$ to measure the system to be in state $|psi_irangle$
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If we have two particles, one in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$, then the state vector would be $|psi_arangle|psi_brangle$.
However, if the particles are indistinguishable, then it is equally likely to have the opposite be true (i.e. the "first" particle in state $psi_b$ and the "second" particle in state $psi_a$). Therefore, we would want the entire state to be a linear combination of these two states, each with equal weight. Therefore we end up with
$$|Psirangle=|psi_arangle|psi_branglepm|psi_brangle|psi_arangle$$
If we choose to work in the $|r_1rangle|r_2rangle$ basis, then we end up with the expression you state.
I think the issue with your state is that it is not a "nice" linear combination of the states where one particle is in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$. We need this if we want the postulate to hold that when $|psirangle=sum c_i|psi_nrangle$, we know that there is a probability of $|c_i|^2$ to measure the system to be in state $|psi_irangle$
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If we have two particles, one in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$, then the state vector would be $|psi_arangle|psi_brangle$.
However, if the particles are indistinguishable, then it is equally likely to have the opposite be true (i.e. the "first" particle in state $psi_b$ and the "second" particle in state $psi_a$). Therefore, we would want the entire state to be a linear combination of these two states, each with equal weight. Therefore we end up with
$$|Psirangle=|psi_arangle|psi_branglepm|psi_brangle|psi_arangle$$
If we choose to work in the $|r_1rangle|r_2rangle$ basis, then we end up with the expression you state.
I think the issue with your state is that it is not a "nice" linear combination of the states where one particle is in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$. We need this if we want the postulate to hold that when $|psirangle=sum c_i|psi_nrangle$, we know that there is a probability of $|c_i|^2$ to measure the system to be in state $|psi_irangle$
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If we have two particles, one in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$, then the state vector would be $|psi_arangle|psi_brangle$.
However, if the particles are indistinguishable, then it is equally likely to have the opposite be true (i.e. the "first" particle in state $psi_b$ and the "second" particle in state $psi_a$). Therefore, we would want the entire state to be a linear combination of these two states, each with equal weight. Therefore we end up with
$$|Psirangle=|psi_arangle|psi_branglepm|psi_brangle|psi_arangle$$
If we choose to work in the $|r_1rangle|r_2rangle$ basis, then we end up with the expression you state.
I think the issue with your state is that it is not a "nice" linear combination of the states where one particle is in state $psi_a$ and the other in state $psi_b$. We need this if we want the postulate to hold that when $|psirangle=sum c_i|psi_nrangle$, we know that there is a probability of $|c_i|^2$ to measure the system to be in state $|psi_irangle$
edited Nov 15 '18 at 22:03
answered Nov 15 '18 at 19:58
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It's a valid wavefunction, but you lose the interpretation of having one particle in state a and the other in state b. You just have two particles in some complicated state.
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Nov 15 '18 at 21:08