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I need help to find the limits of these two functions :
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}$$ where $n,p$ are integers.
And :
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-alog_a(x)}}$$ where $a>0$ and $anotin{{1,e}}$
I can't use L'Hospital rule, any help would be very appreciated !
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I need help to find the limits of these two functions :
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}$$ where $n,p$ are integers.
And :
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-alog_a(x)}}$$ where $a>0$ and $anotin{{1,e}}$
I can't use L'Hospital rule, any help would be very appreciated !
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Can you use the definition of derivative?
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I need help to find the limits of these two functions :
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}$$ where $n,p$ are integers.
And :
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-alog_a(x)}}$$ where $a>0$ and $anotin{{1,e}}$
I can't use L'Hospital rule, any help would be very appreciated !
calculus limits limits-without-lhopital
I need help to find the limits of these two functions :
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}$$ where $n,p$ are integers.
And :
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-alog_a(x)}}$$ where $a>0$ and $anotin{{1,e}}$
I can't use L'Hospital rule, any help would be very appreciated !
calculus limits limits-without-lhopital
calculus limits limits-without-lhopital
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Can you use the definition of derivative?
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Can you use the definition of derivative?
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Can you use the definition of derivative?
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Can you use the definition of derivative?
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$$frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}cdotfrac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}xrightarrow[xto a]{}(x^n)'|_{x=a}cdotfrac1{(x^p)'|_{x=a}}=frac{na^{n-1}}{pa^{p-1}}=frac npa^{n-p}$$
The above only uses the definition of derivative at $;x=a;$ for the functions $;x^n,,x^p;$ .
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:58
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yes I can, I didn't think about using the definition, thank you !
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:04
@Cominou Excellent. You can repeat exactly the same trick for the other limit...and I think in this second limit it could be $;1-log_ax;$ in he denominator instead...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 15:07
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i forgot an a in front of the log but i figured it out, it's a-alog(x), sorry :)
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:15
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By $f(x)=x^n$ and $g(x)=x^p$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}frac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
and by $f(x)=xsin(a)-asin(x)$ and $g(x)=a-alog_a(x)$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{a-alog_a(x)}}=lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-a}}{frac{x-a}{a-alog_a(x)}}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
You are welcome! I've edited for the second limit according to your one. I didn't noticed at first that there was something strange with it, it was indeed trivial in the previous version.
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Nov 10 at 15:14
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For the first one you can factor top and bottom and cancel $(x-a)$
For the second one the answer is straight forward because the top goes to zero and the bottom does not.
sorry, i forgot the a in front of the log, it's harder like that but i should be able to find the limit thanks to gimusi and donantonio's comments
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:12
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The first one simply obtain by L"Hospital rule:
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{nx^{n-1}}{px^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
Edit:
By identity
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{(x-a)(x^{n-1}+ax^{n-2}+a^2x^{n-3}+cdots+a^{n-2}x+a^{n-1}}{(x-a)(x^{p-1}+ax^{p-2}+a^2x^{p-3}+cdots+a^{p-2}x+a^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
The OP mentioned that he shall not use L'Hospital's Rule.
– Rebellos
Nov 10 at 14:57
Read carefully at the end of the question...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:57
Yes, I saw tags!
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 14:57
@Nosrati "Tags"? The OP writes he cannot use L'Hospital...
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For the second limit, we can directly say that it is not indeterminate form so directly put x = a.
We get required limit = $frac{a sin(a) - a sin(a)}{a-1} = 0$
Hope it helps:)
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$$frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}cdotfrac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}xrightarrow[xto a]{}(x^n)'|_{x=a}cdotfrac1{(x^p)'|_{x=a}}=frac{na^{n-1}}{pa^{p-1}}=frac npa^{n-p}$$
The above only uses the definition of derivative at $;x=a;$ for the functions $;x^n,,x^p;$ .
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:58
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yes I can, I didn't think about using the definition, thank you !
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:04
@Cominou Excellent. You can repeat exactly the same trick for the other limit...and I think in this second limit it could be $;1-log_ax;$ in he denominator instead...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 15:07
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i forgot an a in front of the log but i figured it out, it's a-alog(x), sorry :)
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:15
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$$frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}cdotfrac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}xrightarrow[xto a]{}(x^n)'|_{x=a}cdotfrac1{(x^p)'|_{x=a}}=frac{na^{n-1}}{pa^{p-1}}=frac npa^{n-p}$$
The above only uses the definition of derivative at $;x=a;$ for the functions $;x^n,,x^p;$ .
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:58
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yes I can, I didn't think about using the definition, thank you !
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:04
@Cominou Excellent. You can repeat exactly the same trick for the other limit...and I think in this second limit it could be $;1-log_ax;$ in he denominator instead...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 15:07
1
i forgot an a in front of the log but i figured it out, it's a-alog(x), sorry :)
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:15
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$$frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}cdotfrac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}xrightarrow[xto a]{}(x^n)'|_{x=a}cdotfrac1{(x^p)'|_{x=a}}=frac{na^{n-1}}{pa^{p-1}}=frac npa^{n-p}$$
$$frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}cdotfrac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}xrightarrow[xto a]{}(x^n)'|_{x=a}cdotfrac1{(x^p)'|_{x=a}}=frac{na^{n-1}}{pa^{p-1}}=frac npa^{n-p}$$
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The above only uses the definition of derivative at $;x=a;$ for the functions $;x^n,,x^p;$ .
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:58
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yes I can, I didn't think about using the definition, thank you !
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:04
@Cominou Excellent. You can repeat exactly the same trick for the other limit...and I think in this second limit it could be $;1-log_ax;$ in he denominator instead...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 15:07
1
i forgot an a in front of the log but i figured it out, it's a-alog(x), sorry :)
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:15
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The above only uses the definition of derivative at $;x=a;$ for the functions $;x^n,,x^p;$ .
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:58
1
yes I can, I didn't think about using the definition, thank you !
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:04
@Cominou Excellent. You can repeat exactly the same trick for the other limit...and I think in this second limit it could be $;1-log_ax;$ in he denominator instead...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 15:07
1
i forgot an a in front of the log but i figured it out, it's a-alog(x), sorry :)
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:15
The above only uses the definition of derivative at $;x=a;$ for the functions $;x^n,,x^p;$ .
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:58
The above only uses the definition of derivative at $;x=a;$ for the functions $;x^n,,x^p;$ .
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:58
1
1
yes I can, I didn't think about using the definition, thank you !
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:04
yes I can, I didn't think about using the definition, thank you !
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:04
@Cominou Excellent. You can repeat exactly the same trick for the other limit...and I think in this second limit it could be $;1-log_ax;$ in he denominator instead...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 15:07
@Cominou Excellent. You can repeat exactly the same trick for the other limit...and I think in this second limit it could be $;1-log_ax;$ in he denominator instead...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 15:07
1
1
i forgot an a in front of the log but i figured it out, it's a-alog(x), sorry :)
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:15
i forgot an a in front of the log but i figured it out, it's a-alog(x), sorry :)
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:15
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HINT
By $f(x)=x^n$ and $g(x)=x^p$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}frac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
and by $f(x)=xsin(a)-asin(x)$ and $g(x)=a-alog_a(x)$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{a-alog_a(x)}}=lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-a}}{frac{x-a}{a-alog_a(x)}}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
You are welcome! I've edited for the second limit according to your one. I didn't noticed at first that there was something strange with it, it was indeed trivial in the previous version.
– gimusi
Nov 10 at 15:14
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HINT
By $f(x)=x^n$ and $g(x)=x^p$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}frac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
and by $f(x)=xsin(a)-asin(x)$ and $g(x)=a-alog_a(x)$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{a-alog_a(x)}}=lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-a}}{frac{x-a}{a-alog_a(x)}}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
You are welcome! I've edited for the second limit according to your one. I didn't noticed at first that there was something strange with it, it was indeed trivial in the previous version.
– gimusi
Nov 10 at 15:14
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HINT
By $f(x)=x^n$ and $g(x)=x^p$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}frac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
and by $f(x)=xsin(a)-asin(x)$ and $g(x)=a-alog_a(x)$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{a-alog_a(x)}}=lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-a}}{frac{x-a}{a-alog_a(x)}}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
HINT
By $f(x)=x^n$ and $g(x)=x^p$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}frac{x^n-a^n}{x-a}frac{x-a}{x^p-a^p}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
and by $f(x)=xsin(a)-asin(x)$ and $g(x)=a-alog_a(x)$ we have
$$lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{a-alog_a(x)}}=lim_{xto a}{frac{xsin(a)-asin(x)}{x-a}}{frac{x-a}{a-alog_a(x)}}=frac{f'(a)}{g'(a)}$$
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answered Nov 10 at 14:57
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You are welcome! I've edited for the second limit according to your one. I didn't noticed at first that there was something strange with it, it was indeed trivial in the previous version.
– gimusi
Nov 10 at 15:14
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You are welcome! I've edited for the second limit according to your one. I didn't noticed at first that there was something strange with it, it was indeed trivial in the previous version.
– gimusi
Nov 10 at 15:14
You are welcome! I've edited for the second limit according to your one. I didn't noticed at first that there was something strange with it, it was indeed trivial in the previous version.
– gimusi
Nov 10 at 15:14
You are welcome! I've edited for the second limit according to your one. I didn't noticed at first that there was something strange with it, it was indeed trivial in the previous version.
– gimusi
Nov 10 at 15:14
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For the first one you can factor top and bottom and cancel $(x-a)$
For the second one the answer is straight forward because the top goes to zero and the bottom does not.
sorry, i forgot the a in front of the log, it's harder like that but i should be able to find the limit thanks to gimusi and donantonio's comments
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:12
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For the first one you can factor top and bottom and cancel $(x-a)$
For the second one the answer is straight forward because the top goes to zero and the bottom does not.
sorry, i forgot the a in front of the log, it's harder like that but i should be able to find the limit thanks to gimusi and donantonio's comments
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:12
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For the first one you can factor top and bottom and cancel $(x-a)$
For the second one the answer is straight forward because the top goes to zero and the bottom does not.
For the first one you can factor top and bottom and cancel $(x-a)$
For the second one the answer is straight forward because the top goes to zero and the bottom does not.
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sorry, i forgot the a in front of the log, it's harder like that but i should be able to find the limit thanks to gimusi and donantonio's comments
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:12
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sorry, i forgot the a in front of the log, it's harder like that but i should be able to find the limit thanks to gimusi and donantonio's comments
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:12
sorry, i forgot the a in front of the log, it's harder like that but i should be able to find the limit thanks to gimusi and donantonio's comments
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:12
sorry, i forgot the a in front of the log, it's harder like that but i should be able to find the limit thanks to gimusi and donantonio's comments
– Cominou
Nov 10 at 15:12
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The first one simply obtain by L"Hospital rule:
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{nx^{n-1}}{px^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
Edit:
By identity
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{(x-a)(x^{n-1}+ax^{n-2}+a^2x^{n-3}+cdots+a^{n-2}x+a^{n-1}}{(x-a)(x^{p-1}+ax^{p-2}+a^2x^{p-3}+cdots+a^{p-2}x+a^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
The OP mentioned that he shall not use L'Hospital's Rule.
– Rebellos
Nov 10 at 14:57
Read carefully at the end of the question...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:57
Yes, I saw tags!
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 14:57
@Nosrati "Tags"? The OP writes he cannot use L'Hospital...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:59
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The first one simply obtain by L"Hospital rule:
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{nx^{n-1}}{px^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
Edit:
By identity
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{(x-a)(x^{n-1}+ax^{n-2}+a^2x^{n-3}+cdots+a^{n-2}x+a^{n-1}}{(x-a)(x^{p-1}+ax^{p-2}+a^2x^{p-3}+cdots+a^{p-2}x+a^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
The OP mentioned that he shall not use L'Hospital's Rule.
– Rebellos
Nov 10 at 14:57
Read carefully at the end of the question...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:57
Yes, I saw tags!
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 14:57
@Nosrati "Tags"? The OP writes he cannot use L'Hospital...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:59
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The first one simply obtain by L"Hospital rule:
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{nx^{n-1}}{px^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
Edit:
By identity
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{(x-a)(x^{n-1}+ax^{n-2}+a^2x^{n-3}+cdots+a^{n-2}x+a^{n-1}}{(x-a)(x^{p-1}+ax^{p-2}+a^2x^{p-3}+cdots+a^{p-2}x+a^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
The first one simply obtain by L"Hospital rule:
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{nx^{n-1}}{px^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
Edit:
By identity
$$lim_{xto a}dfrac{x^n-a^n}{x^p-a^p}=lim_{xto a}dfrac{(x-a)(x^{n-1}+ax^{n-2}+a^2x^{n-3}+cdots+a^{n-2}x+a^{n-1}}{(x-a)(x^{p-1}+ax^{p-2}+a^2x^{p-3}+cdots+a^{p-2}x+a^{p-1}}=dfrac{n}{p}a^{n-p}$$
edited Nov 10 at 15:02
answered Nov 10 at 14:56
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The OP mentioned that he shall not use L'Hospital's Rule.
– Rebellos
Nov 10 at 14:57
Read carefully at the end of the question...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:57
Yes, I saw tags!
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 14:57
@Nosrati "Tags"? The OP writes he cannot use L'Hospital...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:59
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The OP mentioned that he shall not use L'Hospital's Rule.
– Rebellos
Nov 10 at 14:57
Read carefully at the end of the question...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:57
Yes, I saw tags!
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 14:57
@Nosrati "Tags"? The OP writes he cannot use L'Hospital...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:59
The OP mentioned that he shall not use L'Hospital's Rule.
– Rebellos
Nov 10 at 14:57
The OP mentioned that he shall not use L'Hospital's Rule.
– Rebellos
Nov 10 at 14:57
Read carefully at the end of the question...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:57
Read carefully at the end of the question...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:57
Yes, I saw tags!
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 14:57
Yes, I saw tags!
– Nosrati
Nov 10 at 14:57
@Nosrati "Tags"? The OP writes he cannot use L'Hospital...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:59
@Nosrati "Tags"? The OP writes he cannot use L'Hospital...
– DonAntonio
Nov 10 at 14:59
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For the second limit, we can directly say that it is not indeterminate form so directly put x = a.
We get required limit = $frac{a sin(a) - a sin(a)}{a-1} = 0$
Hope it helps:)
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For the second limit, we can directly say that it is not indeterminate form so directly put x = a.
We get required limit = $frac{a sin(a) - a sin(a)}{a-1} = 0$
Hope it helps:)
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For the second limit, we can directly say that it is not indeterminate form so directly put x = a.
We get required limit = $frac{a sin(a) - a sin(a)}{a-1} = 0$
Hope it helps:)
For the second limit, we can directly say that it is not indeterminate form so directly put x = a.
We get required limit = $frac{a sin(a) - a sin(a)}{a-1} = 0$
Hope it helps:)
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Can you use the definition of derivative?
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